Week 0 2023: Saturday morning College Gameday picks!

We had a season preview/week 0 combo edition of College Gameday this morning. The crew was in the studio this morning and Corso didn’t make an appearance, but here’s the picks from Herbie, Des and Pat. Week 0 picks are on top and season predictions are at the bottom.

Kirk Herbstreit:

Vanderbilt  over  Hawaii
San Diego State  over  Ohio
New Mexico State  over  Massachusetts
Notre Dame  over  Navy

Desmond Howard:

Hawaii  over  Vanderbilt
San Diego State  over  Ohio
New Mexico State  over  Massachusetts
Notre Dame  over  Navy

Pat McAfee:

Hawaii  over  Vanderbilt
Ohio  over  San Diego State
New Mexico State  over  Massachusetts
Notre Dame  over  Navy

Preseason predictions:

Kirk Herbstreit:
Tulane as best G5 team
Clemson to win ACC
Ohio State to win Big 10
Texas to win Big 12
Utah to win Pac 12
Alabama to win SEC
Playoff teams: Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia
National champion: Alabama over Ohio State

Desmond Howard:
Tulane as best G5 team
FSU to win ACC
Michigan to win Big 10
Texas to win Big 12
Washington to win Pac 12
Alabama to win SEC
Playoff teams: Alabama, FSU, Michigan, Texas
National champion: Michigan over Alabama

Pat McAfee:
UTSA as best G5 team
Clemson to win ACC
Ohio State to win Big 10
Texas to win Big 12
Utah to win Pac 12
Alabama to win SEC
Playoff teams: Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia
National champion: Alabama over Georgia

College Gameday: Preseason predictions vs. preseason futures bets

Over the years since I started this blog, I’ve tracked a lot of picks.  I track straight up picks, picks against the spread, and most recently started grading money line picks since the last couple of years the “money line sprinkle” is all the craze.  Most years I post a writeup up preseason predictions but don’t track it in any meaningful way.  It is mostly for fun so we can go back after the season and see how absurd some people’s predictions were.  

As I patiently await the season preview for 2021, I looked over the odds.  Alabama’s odds have already shortened from +325 to +300. Two other top-five teams including Georgia and Oklahoma, saw their odds fade slightly.  Clemson and Ohio State are steady as a rock at the moment.  I’m not a futures bettor so I couldn’t tell you who I like.  But I compiled a list of the College Gameday analysts’ preseason predictions to do a little analysis.

I know TV analysts are in the business of generating buzz.  Let’s face it: it is boring if they all choose Alabama or Clemson to win in the preseason.  However, sometimes they can get a little too cute with their preseason picks, so I wondered what it would look like if we took the College Gameday crew’s preseason predictions and used them as futures bets.  Would anybody show a profit?

For our experiment, we took the preseason playoff predictions from Lee Corso, Kirk Herbstreit and Desmond Howard for examination.  First, each preseason championship prediction for the playoff era is treated as a $100 futures bet and we calculate losses and profits.  Second, we also took all four playoff picks and treated them each as a $100 futures bet since most people bet more than one team in the futures.  Let’s see how things compare.  Historical futures odds are courtesy of sportsoddshistory.com.

2020Championship PickRunner UpSemifinalSemifinal
Lee CorsoAlabama+300Clemson+200Oklahoma+1200Notre Dame+1600
Kirk HerbstreitClemson+200Alabama+300Texas+1600Florida
Desmond HowardAlabama+300Clemson+200Cincinnati+100000Oklahoma+1200
2019
Lee CorsoAlabama+250Utah+4000Clemson+250Ohio State+1600
Kirk HerbstreitAlabama+250Clemson+250Texas+2500Ohio State+1600
Desmond HowardClemson+250Georgia+250Wisconsin+30000Oregon+4000
2018
Lee CorsoWisconsin+2000Clemson+400Washington+1500Georgia+600
Kirk HerbstreitAlabama+175Clemson+400Washington+1500Penn State+2500
Desmond HowardMichigan+1000Alabama+175West Virginia+6000Clemson+400
2017
Lee CorsoSouthern Cal+700Alabama+250Ohio State+300Florida State+800
Kirk HerbstreitOhio State+300Alabama+250Southern Cal+700Florida State+800
Desmond HowardStanford+5000Alabama+250Wisconsin+2000Miami (FL)+6000
2016
Lee CorsoLSU+800Michigan+800Florida State+700Oklahoma+1200
Kirk HerbstreitClemson+700Alabama+600Ohio State+800TCU+3000
Desmond HowardClemson+700LSU+800Stanford+2500Michigan+800
2015
Lee CorsoLSU+2000Ohio State+250Oregon+2000Baylor+800
Kirk HerbstreitOhio State+250LSU+2000Oklahoma+3000Arizona State+20000
Desmond HowardStanford+3000TCU+600Michigan State+2000Texas A&M+10000
2014
Lee CorsoUCLA+1000Florida State+300Michigan State+2500Alabama+450
Kirk HerbstreitFlorida State+300Alabama+450Michigan State+2500UCLA+1000
Desmond HowardUCLA+1000Georgia+1800Florida State+300Wisconsin+3000

As we look at each analysts’ year by year championship picks, we see some people going out on a limb with their picks on occasion.  Does this show a better profit than sticking to chalk?  The “cutest” championship predictions in the playoff era are:  

Lee Corso picking Wisconsin+2000 and Desmond Howard picking Michigan+1000 in 2018

Desmond Howard picking Stanford+5000 in 2017

Desmond Howard picking Stanford+3000 in 2015

Lee Corso and Desmond Howard both picking UCLA+1000 in 2014

Kirk pretty much picks chalk every year.  Clemson, Alabama, Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Ohio State, Florida State. That’s the preseason favorite 5 out 7 years.  He went out on a limb the other two years and picked the 2nd favorite.

If you bet $100 on the preseason odds-on favorite every year at close, you’d be down $50 over 7 seasons. 

2020:  200 (Clemson+200)

2019: -100 (take your pick, Bama or Clemson+250)

2018: -100 (Alabama+175)

2017: 250 (Alabama+250)

2016: -100 (Alabama+600)

2015: -100 (Ohio State+250)

2014: -100 (Florida State+300)

 If you bet $100 on each Gameday analyst’s preseason pick the results would be the following:

Lee CorsoKirk HerbstreitDesmond Howard
2020300-100300
2019-100-100-100
2018-100-100-100
2017-100-100-100
2016-100700700
2015-100-100-100
2014-100-100-100
Total-300100500

If we took the second approach and used each analysts’ final four predictions as a $100 futures bet, the results are below:

Payout:

Lee CorsoKirk HerbstreitDesmond Howard
2020000
2019-400-400-400
2018100100100
2017-50-50-50
2016-400400400
2015-400-400-400
2014-400-400-400
Total-1550-750-750

So what does this all mean?  Betting straight favorites results in a small loss.  It appears betting the Gameday analysts’ final four is disastrous.  Don’t do it.  They took a handful of crazy long shots (Cincinnati+100000?  Texas A&M+10000?) which seem much more likely to generate buzz than value.  Desmond Howard profited the most betting ONLY championship picks at $500 while Kirk Herbstreit profited $100.  Lee Corso lost $300 betting his pick each season.  The profit for Desmond and Kirk comes entirely from Clemson+700 in 2016.  In hindsight, it seems obvious that picking anyone outside of the playoff blue bloods is suicidal.  LSU+2500 in 2019 is the lone exception, and it is hard to call them a true dark horse.  I guess all I could say is, pay attention to Desmond Howard if he sticks to chalk in his 2021 prediction.  Kirk Herbstreit will definitely stick to chalk, but that won’t profit you much.  Don’t go out on a limb and bet a bunch on Texas, or throw your money away on Michigan, or pick Arizona State as a dark horse.  And as much as I hate to say it, don’t bet on Lee Corso’s preseason prediction.

2018-19 Season: College Gameday Season Preview!

Welcome back everyone.  We are officially kicking opening the 2018-19 season around here with the College Gameday Season Preview!  You’ll find the preseason predictions from Lee Corso, Kirk Herbstreit, and Desmond Howard below.  We’ll be bringing you a little more preseason coverage today and tomorrow, but starting this week we will be posting the regular weekly picks until we crown a champion in January.

Lee Corso:
Trace McSorley for early Heisman favorite
Clemson over Miami (FL) in ACC Championship
Wisconsin over Penn State in Big 10 Championship
Texas over Oklahoma in Big 12 Championship
Washington over USC in Pac 12 Championship
Georgia over Alabama in SEC Championship
UCF as best G5 team
CFB Playoff: Clemson vs Washington, Wisconsin vs Georgia
Clemson vs Wisconin in CFB Championship
Wisconsin to win CFB Championship

Kirk Herbstreit:
Trace McSorley for early Heisman favorite
Clemson over Miami (FL) in ACC Championship
Penn State over Wisconsin in Big 10 Championship
Oklahoma over TCU in Big 12 Championship
Washington over Utah in Pac 12 Championship
Alabama over Georgia in SEC Championship
Boise State as best G5 team
CFB Playoff: Alabama vs Washington, Clemson vs Penn State
Clemson vs Alabama in CFB Championship
Alabama to win CFB Championship

Desmond Howard:
Bryce love for early Heisman favorite
Clemson over Miami (FL) in ACC Championship
Michigan over Wisconsin in Big 10 Championship
WVU over Oklahoma in Big 12 Championship
Washington over USC in Pac 12 Championship
Alabama over South Carolina in SEC Championship
UCF as best G5 team
CFB Playoff: Michigan vs WVU, Alabama vs Clemson
Michigan vs Alabama in CFB Championship
Michigan to win CFB Championship

@GamedayJen:
Clemson to win ACC
Penn State to win Big 10
TCU to win Big 12
Washington to win Pac 12
Alabama to win SEC
Alabama vs Penn State, Clemson vs Washington in CFB Playoff (potentially TCU instead of Penn State)
Alabama vs Clemson in CFB Championship
Clemson to win CFB Championship